\rmargo. Pontus flatly dismissed Miotte’s work, but Miotte would leave for weeks at a time, leaving Pontus in charge of the studio (the top row of arched windows looked due west, to the river and Hoboken beyond). Authorial Artists: 5 Painters Who Also Wrote 1. The practice is to make these small renderings and place them as votives on holy spots and shrines particular to the Madonna. But what's really important is to recognize that to write a poem like this you have to know fishing as a humble activity as well as a high art, and both Ted Hughes and Virginia Woolf certainly did, and very, very well. The suspense is killing me! Thomas Hardy is an amazing example in which this tension between public and private discourse (read prose and poetry) is played out in the selfsame author. At the same time I have to say you are lucky to be on a thread started by such a generous author, and Martin Earl has given you the feedback you crave. "It is offensive to me," these platitudinous objections insist, "to be asked to consider what something means, to have to work to arrive at a conclusion rather than receiving it ready to be printed on a t-shirt. \rThe erudite who read Ashbery find him refreshingly hilarious, but the rest mutter to themselves, 'what torture! But that hardly justifies his deciding, from a position of ignorance, that all such criticism is so much wankery. You've got a shapely leg and a well turned navel, a slender waist and perfect tits, the ridges of your eyebrows are maddening, and your mouth is a nest of flowers, your hips a sofa, and the flap-seat of your belly a box at the bull-fights in the arenas in Nîmes, your buttocks a dish of baked beans, and your arms a sharkfin soup, and your and your bird's nest again the spiciness of a bird's nest soup. "\r"The poem is you. Ironically Latin, which had continued to develop beyond the classical period began to fade as a civic, academic and theological language during the Renaissance. WE CAN DO THIS. Let me try to wrestle you awake with another.\rI've mentioned before that I like that Robert Zemeckis film called 'Contact.' The breath. I visited El Greco's studio space which has become and still is kind of enshrined. He is absolutely in the line of William James/Gertrude Stein Modernism. But old Toledo is an ancient fortress town situated on a tor, high above the Castillean plains. Come over here, woman!! would have already been in France when he wrote it. That's a beautiful example.\rChristopher, So that's fascinating, John--that's poetry alive and kicking.\rI think that's too what I meant when I said, let me have it! I sat in the middle of the studio with my portable Adler, drinking tea and smoking as I wrote, while Pontus painted. Christopher: if you don’t see the relevance of my poem to this thread, that is, the underlying mystery of why we create…or even exist… that motivates us to express ourselves at all, visual or verbal notwithstanding, then you, my friend, just don’t get it. Warhol was also deeply involved in fictional endeavors, primarily films. What I take for granted in a reading is what I take for granted, what you take for granted is what you take for granted--and none of you, none, ever talk about the words or, more frankly, what the poems actually say. My girlfriend just read this & she said "So you are a hired killer from space and the other people on the message board are drunks in Boston? But a deep & genuine reading of Ashbery reveals how truly he is what Grossman calls him: "He is fundamentally a manager of traditional resources. from the United States is reading, Joshua Chaplinsky 4x6. his bathroom roof caved in with sewage water and there was a building fire--and he decided he had to go. Everything moves too quickly and provisionally. \rAnd do we ever get to the end of that?\rDoes the poem ever stop singing after that?\rChristopher, In case you hadn't noticed, dear Martin et. You had the sense that pure unwavering industry was again reclaiming the space. Why not try "As One Put Drunk in the Packet Boat"? Well, I'm no poetry expert, so let's review a sample from Picasso's The Dream and Lie of Franco: silver bells & cockle shells & guts braided in a row Cats, unlike dogs, have no problem knowing who they are! Broom Street Studio, New York. Ashbery was born into an era in which unity of effect had been smashed as a requirement by the modernists, and Ashbery took this license--to have NO unity of effect--and ran with it.\rThomas, Martin,\rThat is a lovely video. This is what allows an educated person to come along, much later and utter:\rI think often of the astonishing “As One Put Drunk into a Packet Boat.” \rErudition in love with erudition! No, surely it will still be said that he is not memorable until Thomas himself tries to memorize a poem. At times, he dabbles in digital art and photography. Of course I'm thinking Virginia Woolf too, like everybody else. I feel differently; little Switz. \rAshbery's dreamy, flowing, indefiniteness is evasive in the extreme. In this sense, they are very similar to the real fools, clowns, and jesters of the time, but their characteristics are greatly heightened for theatrical effect. I lucked out when I was there. That's the way it's supposed to be, and anyway, the poet who wrote it has more awards than you.' I could probably go on and on for The Skaters in its entirety, but how about the first ten lines that come up quite nicely from a range:\rHow much longer shall I be able to inhabit the divine sepulcher of life, my love\rI tried each thing, only some were immortal and free.\rNo more disappointing orgasms.\rMy wife thinks I'm in Oslo. I told you not to read so much Ashbery! It’s clear to me her writing—really, anything she’s ever laid her hands on—is meant to be whimsical. If I had a nickel for every time I've been compared to Stephen Hawking & Roger Federer! Victorian-era poet Emily Dickinson apparently wrote around 1800 poems, mostly revolving around themes such as death and immortality. "\rI don't remember what I came back with at the time, but for me there's no separation, or at least they illuminate each other. Ashbery won't be pinned down; he won't argue; he won't fight. The thing is not to be jane of all trades, mistress of none, but to earn the capital letter "A" in a word, artist, at the end of a life devoted to the arts--hopefully, able to hone if not perfect one along that road. Annotate A Poem. In 1964, Ono published an odd little book called Grapefruit, a collection of ‘instructional poetry’ that the reader can either try at home or simply enjoy as reading material. If Picasso is the Prince of Cubism, then surely Dalí is the King of Surrealism. Everyone wants to be a writer—deep down anyway. The smells, textures,the entire world, captivated me entirely. Then suddenly there is silence as the young woman arrives upon an ordinary beach, and in a silvery moment meets another simple person face to face.\rJohn Ashbery disintegrates in cosmic light and wonder alright, but for me rarely steps upon that beach. . Christopher,\rI can't believe you're riding me this way. Final:\rThe image of Thomas Mann at his writing desk is, for me, emblematic. Jeez, Michael...I was trying to stick for you. (So to speak.) There has got to be another way to conduct what seems really to be more a discussion about personal aesthetics than it is about poetic technique.\rMartin. Despite all his accolades as a static visual artist, however, Schnabel began pursuing narrative filmmaking. Also in my view to arch over sometimes, especially in the case of historians looking to prove a theory, misses out on the human, environmentally biased, interstices in the below spaces.\rA small example of what I mean would be this. Some critics called Hughes' poems "low-rate" Hughes broke new ground in poetry when he began to write verse that incorporated how Black people talked and the jazz and blues music they played. She created a fairytale called Invisible Flower when she was 19 years old, written in a quasi-children’s book style, featuring lines of prose matched with paintings and sketches. And maybe not everyone wants to tell stories on a professional or even professionally amateur level, but it is true that we're all storytellers at heart. Really, the idea of a "democratic debate" between him and Brady is laughable, like a tennis match between Roger Federer and Stephen Hawking. He never tries to stand for anything beyond his own work and is the least polemical of poets. \r'You don't understand this poem? his 'idiot,' prince myshkin, was a calligraphic master, among other things. half of his apt. I think you feel you'll get laughed at for even thinking there's meaning in what you read what is more meaning for you, for your life, for your own understanding.\rAnd if I'm right, how does that affect what you write in turn? So I talked. And light. Her poems were mostly without titles and had short lines, slant rhyme, and unconventional punctuation. It is dark space indeed, very dark, even in midday. 3x3. might not want to read academic criticism. This is the stroke of genius. If my soldiers have thrived in his mountains and taken his cities, they have been kind; my intentions are good, better than Ashbery's in any case.\rYou misquoted me misquoting Mr. A; I did not say he compared Stein's poems to people; I knew he was talking about parts of a poem--my thesis depends on this; he said lines, not words; I had written lines originally; I didn't have the actual text before me at that moment.\rWilliam James is one of the major pieces which connects the transcendentalists and the moderns. It seems primitive song and chant don’t account, at least not fully, for that affinity.\rAnd here’s from one of my dictionaries:\roverarching |ˌōvər'är ch i ng |\radjective [ attrib. When you are high on nitrous oxide, you say whatever comes into your head, like, "As One Put Drunk into a Packet Boat!" He has no bones.\rThe polemicist is always preferable to the solipsist, for you can always play lovely music and calm the polemicist down; play a trumpet blast for the solipsist, and he will only cover his ears, sinking deeper into his solipsism.\rThe polemicist, by nature, cares for things outside himself, and because he cares, he illuminates those issues to some degree, by attacking or defending them; Ashbery, as you have said, is the 'least polemical of poets;' Ashbery has nothing to do with issues or things or ideas; he is only a relaxation technique, a stiff drink, which may be a good thing after a hard day's work, but if there is only the relaxation technique without the work, without the need to relax, then you have the still waters of the swamp, the damp mold, the cake which will not rise, the giggling guru who lazes before his sleeping followers.\rOf course he is a sweet man. I think you've all either been through, or too near, or judged too often by an academic system that so emphasizes secondary material that you're afraid of the text. This is particularly true of Diving Bell, which is nothing but the world according to Bauby; the scene in which the character's right eye is sewn shut, depicted in POV, literally puts you right in the center of Bauby's horror (and serves as a visual homage to Dalí and Buñuel). Or maybe you've got the Guernica coffee mug? he's an artist who runs a studio making sandblasting, etching and woodwork commissions, etc. It was out of this Aurignacian culture that the first cave art develops. After spending a decade shooting only digital, I finally came to the conclusion that I liked the film negative better than the digital sensor. ; big difference. The eye. As though in retreat from public relevance and in search of aesthetic and formal purity, or perhaps forced inward by the demands of the market place, poetry and painting became less transparent, more expressive of the individual “soul”. So let me revise my yawn to a co-sign. In a part I've not reproduced, for example, he says he doesn't think much of the minor pieces collected in the book. That sort of small. Give us all some time to digest what you are doing here, and I, for one, will get back to you.\rThanks,\rMartin. it's a burden that digital photography has done away with in an effective way, and that most poets never have to consider. self like Larkin's. Mckenzie Cassidy on Fact vs. Fiction and the Book You End Up With. \rThe smallness of the poetry world is certainly not my fault! not that this necessarily relates...my mother's proudest moment, as far as i'm concerned, was seeing me write in russian cursive, since i'd never learned legible english cursive as a boy.\ri've long planned to write her life's story, and have accomplished just that to a small extent in poems and stories. Comparing a poem to 'people who are sometimes annoying’ is a strategy both cowardly and inane; and Ashbery’s tacit use of Poe forgets that Poe said a poem should not be too brief, either. I once mentioned this to my friend Luís Quintais, a poet and anthropologist. \rBut to the point you make at the end of your post: “…we are constantly facing the severe limitations of our favorite medium and trying to break free. For more information on non-writers who wrote, try Cath Murphy’s column The Good, The Bad, and The Sadly Deluded: Actors Who Write. - Pope\r"Shakespearean fools are usually clever peasants or commoners that use their wits to outdo people of higher social standing. Based on the novel by Carl Sagan, it's about a young female radio astronomer (Jodie Foster) who is studying the huge hum that fills outer space in an effort to find a single 'message' sound, one that can detach itself from the clutter to become something else---something relevant, significant, communicative, helpful perhaps, hopeful even, almost like a friend. I mean, I understand the work was politically motivated, and I can see that in some of Picasso's word choices, but at the end of the day, what is he actually saying here? I mean, aren't you a bit ashamed? But will the long line of people like Thomas who make this claim over and over again be satisfied only once someone memorizes the entire Collected Works? 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